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Maxaner (Maxaner)
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Posted on Thursday, August 01, 2013 - 02:14 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Indian deoli slate tiles are amazing slate stone which is very suitable for the flooring and roofing. Moreover the Black slate tiles is also nice option for the same. If you have any question or doubt please write to info@maxanerslate.com
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Posted on Tuesday, July 30, 2013 - 09:41 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Actually, I started to write the book about 2 years ago, but it was about the "State" of the Art, which is slating. In the chapter about slate appearance, I wrote that slate is the only roofing material that is used exactly as it comes out of the ground. Wood and thatch come "from" the ground and is used, but the beauty of slate is that no two pieces are the same. There are as many different types and shades of black as there are quarries, and the textures vary too, not to mention the thicknesses. When you throw in lengths and widths, you have a real unique look on every slate roof you do.

What was the old tag line from Evergreen Slate? "The Sheltering stone" beautiful!
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just think about it.
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Olde_mohawk_masonry__historic_restoration (Olde_mohawk_masonry__historic_restoration)
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Posted on Tuesday, July 30, 2013 - 05:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

It's not one size fits all where aesthetics are concerned. If you want a subjective opinion on what will look right you will need to provide more details (and pictures would help.)
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Mr951 (Mr951)
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Posted on Tuesday, July 30, 2013 - 07:27 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

But it's not "all different and nothing looks the same". Don't certain aesthetic rules apply? Big slates on a small roof area looks bad. A long narrow strip of roof (perhaps below a large dormer) that has only 2 or 3 rows of slate would look better with smaller slates allowing for 5-6 rows. Buff colored slate on a buff exterior (sandstone perhaps) structure looks bad. Appearance is more important on a steep roof (because you see it) than a shallow roof that's less visible. Write that book....
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951, I could write one of them, but the beauty of slate is that is is all different and nothing looks the same.

As far as the number of different sizes of "random" slates, you have to understand that with 14" slates you are going to have 5 1/2 inch exposure, if you lay it with a 3 inch headlap. A 13 inch slate will have 5.5 x 13 or 71.5 square inches of coverage. At that exposure, you would have slightly over 200 pieces per square. With 7 inch wide slates, you would have 374 slates per square. They are going to send you exactly the number of squares of coverage you order, and they will list them for you and they will all be counted and numbered in the pallets.

Remember that when you are actually working on the roof, and you have hundreds of slates up there, it is hard to keep track of just what you have. You make do as you are putting them on. If you don't want to mess with it, just order 12 or 13's and strike you vertical lines. No worries at that point unless you have to go over top of a dormer and you have to catch a layout. If you do that, you better know how to read a tape and figure. good luck.
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Mr951 (Mr951)
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Will need ~25 squares and don't want to rely on luck so I'll order the specific widths I need. But how many of each size per square? Just divide the square evenly by the number of possible widths and then determine how many for a specific exposed width are needed for that size's share of the square? Does that produce the best looking "random" roof? BTW, has anyone ever found a book that discusses slate aesthetics or appearance guidelines?
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if this is for a mock up, consider yourself lucky it wasn't an error made on a WHOLE LOT of material.
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The order simply said "random width". A previous e-mail from the quarry said what widths are in random. The key words are "could be" in random or "should be" in random is what it comes down to. Sounds like the norm is to have some slates of every width. Also sounds like specifying the widths in the order makes sure that happens. I could see how it might be in a quarry's interest to complete a "random" order by including some standard larger widths and then dumping in 7" widths to make up the rest since this is a way to use a width of slate that would normally be scrap. Should the quantity of each width be such that each width has equal exposed face?
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If they said they were going to ship you 8 and 9's and they didn't, then that is their mistake. Normally you can make the ones you have work, You tend to repeat the same pattern up the roof for 3 or 4 slates and then switch them up. I try and vary it a bit more than that. On a big roof, you will want to use what you have next to you before getting more. It depends on who is carrying the slates. A lot of work.
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Posted on Wednesday, July 24, 2013 - 11:08 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

If you ordered widths of 7",8",9",10",11" and 12" but received slates that were 7",10",11" and 12" then you are missing 8" and 9" pieces ... it's that simple. There is no "standard" that can be pointed to, it's what you order. Certainly the quarrier will make a recommendation but, in the end, it's what the order says that dictates what you receive. If your order says only 14"long x random widths, then, that's that.
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Posted on Wednesday, July 24, 2013 - 08:47 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

My sense from prior e-mails was that I would get some of each size, perhaps even an equal exposed face area of each size (what's the norm?). The slate came from a very well known and reputable quarry in Vermont. Don't want to blame them yet since maybe this is what happens when you only order one square (for mock-up). When someone wants a "random" roof do they usually rely on the quarry/broker to do that, expecting slates of every size or do they order specific widths/quantities to guarantee the randomness they want?
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Well Yes! Where did you get them from? You can order any widths that you want, but normally they will send you some of everything.
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Posted on Tuesday, July 23, 2013 - 04:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Hello forum....got a square of 14" long random width slates for a mock-up. Was told the widths would be 7",8",9",10",11" and 12". Received slates that were 7",10",11" and 12". All added up to a square but maintaining 3" side lap is more difficult without any 8" and 9" wide slates. Does 14" long "random" width mean anything from 7-12" or some of everything from 7-12"? Or, is it better to order specific quantities of each width (in 14" length) to make a "random" roof? Thanks...

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