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     Olde_mohawk_masonry__historic_restoration (Olde_mohawk_masonry__historic_restoration) Senior Member Username: Olde_mohawk_masonry__historic_restoration Post Number: 185 Registered: 04-2007 |
Andrew: If you're willing to drive an hour north to Boston we could have you come along on some projects this season. This week I will be in Milford at the Town Hall giving architect/clients a consult via lift. Give me a shout if interested. We'll go up and look at the slate together. PreservationConsultant.net | ||
| Andrew (Andrew) New member Username: Andrew Post Number: 8 Registered: 02-2013 |
Thanks for the input. I've actually got a project lined up with Kwhord starting next month. yes hopefully James is alright. I saw him changing some valleys around here about 2 months ago. when did this happen? Also if anyone cares to know, today I salvaged some Monson slate from a house in the area that is being torn down. Also gonna be going at it again tomorrow. Can you believe that someone was gonna tear down the house and throw the slate away with it?? This slate is in excellent condition. I haven't pulled one off that didn't feel solid or have a good ring to it. Not to mention no weathering whatsoever. Amazing. | ||
| Old_school (Old_school) Senior Member Username: Old_school Post Number: 963 Registered: 01-2009 |
Safety is often overlooked or even worse ignored. I hope he is alright. Even a fall from one story can kill you. We always scaffold our roofs. It takes a few minutes, but in the end, I believe it is quicker as it is easier and it also gives you place to put materials and equipment. | ||
| John_chan (John_chan) Senior Member Username: John_chan Post Number: 122 Registered: 08-2006 |
James fell off his roof a few months ago. I hear he's fine, but he isn't back on the roof yet. There's a couple of other slater's up there that you can check with. | ||
| Old_school (Old_school) Senior Member Username: Old_school Post Number: 959 Registered: 01-2009 |
James works mostly by himself I think. I believe he lives in the Boston area and drives mostly the RI for his work. I am sure there are some others close by. If not, ask away. good luck with that. | ||
| Andrew (Andrew) New member Username: Andrew Post Number: 4 Registered: 02-2013 |
I'm in Providence, RI. The man I mentioned that does slate around here is James from Milligan Construction. I'm guessing someone on here probably knows him. | ||
| Old_school (Old_school) Senior Member Username: Old_school Post Number: 958 Registered: 01-2009 |
Sure, that is what we are here for. Where are you located? | ||
| Andrew (Andrew) New member Username: Andrew Post Number: 3 Registered: 02-2013 |
I've tried. Last time I asked about working for the slate roofer in the area, he wasn't really interested. I suppose I could call again and inquire. Even so, could I ask your thoughts on some of these things I've been posting? | ||
| Old_school (Old_school) Senior Member Username: Old_school Post Number: 956 Registered: 01-2009 |
Andrew, you should contact one of the members close to you and go out and work with them for a few days. I am sure it could be done. Just a thought. | ||
| Andrew (Andrew) New member Username: Andrew Post Number: 2 Registered: 02-2013 |
Cool. I've seen some pictures in traditional roofing magazine with rounded butt slates and I'm almost certain I'm ok. I have read the slate roof bible about 100 times (probably literally) and gone over and over everything I can about this issue. It's more that I've never worked with a professional slate roofer to answer all these questions I have about the subject so I'm still second guessing myself on some issues. I've always been about quality work and this is no exception so I really wanna get this right. | ||
| Milo (Milo) Junior Member Username: Milo Post Number: 17 Registered: 05-2009 |
Andrew, I'll try to get some pics next time I'm out and about. Joe's "The Slate Roof Bible" has pics of quite a few roofs from my area (NW PA) with "clipped" coners and maybe a few with rounded butts. | ||
| Andrew (Andrew) New member Username: Andrew Post Number: 1 Registered: 02-2013 |
Milo, good to know. I intend to make the roof a 12 pitch and go with 4 inches of head lap. I know that's over kill but I know it's only gonna make it better. Think you could get a photo of any of the roofs in your area? | ||
| Milo (Milo) Junior Member Username: Milo Post Number: 16 Registered: 05-2009 |
Andrew, I live in NW Pa (lots of snow) and many of the roofs here (including neighbors) have rounded butt slates. Many are 80 years old so if leaking was the result of the round butt shape these roofs would probably be long gone. (I assume most were laid with the standard 3" headlap...also most are on houses with pretty good roof pitch). (Message edited by milo on February 16, 2013) | ||
| Andrew_sanchez (Andrew_sanchez) New member Username: Andrew_sanchez Post Number: 4 Registered: 02-2013 |
ok i'll take your word for it. thanks for your time | ||
| Kwhord (Kwhord) Senior Member Username: Kwhord Post Number: 253 Registered: 10-2006 |
You are over thinking it. | ||
| Andrew_sanchez (Andrew_sanchez) New member Username: Andrew_sanchez Post Number: 3 Registered: 02-2013 |
see this is kind of my concern. According to your illustration, it would appear that the water pulls to the side edges of the slate beneath it and if it is pulled to the edge before it's below the head lap, it will leak. I'm not going to be cutting anything off the bottom of the slate itself just the corners so it will still be the full height and have the same head lap. I'm just concerned that because the corners will be gone that I'm giving the water an easier chance to get to the edge of the slate beneath it and potentially leak. Maybe I'm over thinking things. Have you ever installed a slate roof that had rounded butt slates on it or perhaps worked on an old one? | ||
| Kwhord (Kwhord) Senior Member Username: Kwhord Post Number: 250 Registered: 10-2006 |
 This is kinda rough, but hopefully it makes sense... The green lines are what a square edge (standard) slate looks like when wet (underneath) The grey lines show a rounded edge. As long as you don't trim the bottom so that you are reducing headlap, you'll be okay. | ||
| Andrew_sanchez (Andrew_sanchez) New member Username: Andrew_sanchez Post Number: 1 Registered: 02-2013 |
I am going to be slating my garage later this year and while I have installed/worked on slate roofs many times, I've never installed one with rounded butts. I'm probably asking a stupid question but my mind won't let it go. At some point the idea entered my head that a slate with a rounded butt would be less water proof then one that was square due to the removal of the material. Now I'm planning on installing this roof with at least a 3 inch head lap or maybe even 4 (I live in the north east and it snows real bad) so I'm guessing I'm fine but I'm not sure. So my question is how much material can be removed from the bottom corners of the slate before the water tightness is compromised or does it not make any difference? |
